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bog >>> oakland hills residents shocked to see flames shooting out of the ground. >> i called 911. the fire department got here probably in like ten seconds. >> now, ktvu crews are on the scene of the underground fire as pg&e crews investigate what caused it. >>> the extremely cold weather in the bay area has proved to be problematic for air passengers. why some were forced to scramble to other airports. >>> he inspired people all over the world. today, tens and thousands, they gathered in south africa to remember nelson mandela. >>> good afternoon. i'm tori campbell. we begin the news at noon with breaking news out of oakland. we've been following an underground gas fire that's been burning for nearly four hours now. several homes in the area have been evacuated as crews try and figure out the cause. this is a live look from newschopper2 now of the scene at golf links road and fontaine street. ktvu's brian flores is on the ground and talked to pg&e about the problem as well as some residents in the area. good afternoon, brian. >> reporter: good afternoon. a little bit of good news. about 20 minutes, as you can see, peeg crews were able to -- pg&e crews were able to cap the gas line. it appears that the fire looks like to be out. this fire had been going on since about 8:30 this morning and residents that we spoke with literally seeing fire come from underneath the street. the person we spoke to was one of several homes that were evacuated. now, as of now, pg&e says a 4- inch gas distribution feeder line ruptured at 8:24 this morning. still unclear what started the fire as pg&e says they will learn more once they get to the line and essentially shut off the gas which they did about 20 minutes ago. at this point, they are still trying to determine where the gas originated from and what they essentially did was squeeze or clamp the lines so the gas does not leak. several oakland fire department trucks remain on scene. but they are confident the leak is isolated to a certain area. >> we do have to take extra measures for the safety of our crews and shore the sides of the wall there. so we expect gas to be shut off in about two hours. >> reporter: now, according to oakland, fire about six homes were evacuated. other residents were told to shelter in place. from what we understand, that shelter-in-place order has been lifted at this point. according to east bay m.u.d., still about 20 homes are without power. according to pg&e about 20 homes are without gas. nearby holy deemer college, students were being told to stay on campus. but no evacuations. we spoke to some homeowner who lived near where the fire started. he said it looked diferntd. >> i noticed -- different. >> i noticed the fire looked different. it was kind of straight lines in the street. tick, tack toe kind of thing going on. it was bizarre looking. >> reporter: now, there again, they were able to cap the line at around 11:37 this morning. many of the residents that were ordered to shelter in place were allowed to come back to their homes. we also don't know how old the line is. pg&e crews expected to be here now for several hours as they determine how and what happened to this gas line that ruptured again at 8:24 this morning. there are also fears that this might have erupted to some type of san bruno explosion. oakland fire says this is a smaller distribution line and that was not the case luckily this morning. we're live here in oakland, brian flores, ktvu channel 2 news. >> thank you, brian. >>> authorities are trying to find the owner of a box marked radioactive that caused a scare in downtown la fayette. the box was found la fayette auto repair on monument mt. diablo boulevard and brown avenue. an employee spotted the box in the company's parking lot. several nearby businesses were evacuated. a county hazmat crew was called in. the crew found a radar device inside used to capture 3-d images of underground surfaces. the box was dusted for fingerprints and removed. >>> divers are working to remove skeletal remains at the bottom of lake sonoma. the dive team was called in today after a recreational found the remains 100 feet below the surface. the oakland police department is scroved. officers have brought in a spoetion underwater rebought with video equipment that can help locate the remains. the sonoma county coroner will try to figure out how he or she died. it's unclear how long the remains have been in the lake. with all of the cold air this morning, there were reports of black ice in san mateo county. a sanding truck was pouring sunday on the duran memorial bridge and also on 280. you can see the sanding truck followed by two dump trucks. the first report of black ice came at about 5:40 at the scene of an accident involving four vehicles on 280. ktvu's rosemary orozco joins us now with just how cold it was this morning. >> another frigid start. let's take a look at some of the areas braving the cold the temperatures. petaluma 21 degrees. 25 reported in los gatos, 23 in walnut creek. 27 in livermore. and upper 20s in areas right around redwood city. the 20s were very widespread. right now, temperatures in the mid-40s, two low 50s. 54 at half moon bay. it may be tough to tell but we're a few degrees warmer than yesterday at this hour. yesterday, afternoon a few degrees warmer than the day before. we do have a very slow warming trend underway. unfortunate lit, it's not going to -- unfortunately, it's not going to help us in the evening hours. we do have another freeze washing, not as widespread. but starting tonight lasting into tomorrow morning for the north bay valley as well as the mountains sliding to the east for the east bay valleys and into the santa clara valley, we've got anywhere from sunnyvale, to san jose, campbell, cupertino, down to morgan hill as well as gillry. that last -- gilroy. that lasts for the afternoon. we do have changes coming. i will detail the afternoon highs today and how long it will take us to get back in the 60s. tori? >> thank you. >>> the cold weather in the south bay caused major problems for some travelers at mineta san jose international airport. as janine de la vega reports, because of problems with some crucial cold weather equipment, many passengers had to be shuttled to other airports. >> reporter: you can see planes were sitting idle near terminal a. the wings frozen with ice. the equipment used to defrost the planes was not operated. passengers were taken by surprise. >> they were about to board the flight and then they said the wings were iced up so they had to delay the flight which caused me to miss my connection from salt lake city. so they rerouted me through los angeles. >> reporter: eight flights were delayed. delta airlines owns the equipment that de-ices planes in terminal a, besides america, other airlines were left waiting. the solution that heats up the wings was not warming up. >> it's an inconvenience for passengers but safety is the number one priority. >> i just got delayed. we were supposed to leave at 6:15. my flight has not left. i had a lay over in salt lake city. i was gonna miss that. now i'm heading to san francisco to hopefully catch a flight to massachusetts. >> reporter: other equipment came over to help de-ice the wings. >> they pushed through and through solar, they were able to de-ice the aircraft. >> reporter: some travelers were delayed up to two hours. >> that's okay. it happens. >> reporter: airport officials say delta is working to repair the equipment and to make sure there is a backup plan in place so travelers are not impacted tomorrow. reporting from san jose, janine de la vega, ktvu channel 2 news. >>> pg&e is reporting that the cold weather has driven natural gascon sumtion to a record high -- gas consumption to a record high. the peak demand hit almost five cubic feet in the bay area. that's twice the amount of national gascon summed on thanksgiving. it -- gas consumed on thanksgiving. pg&e says it's meeting the increased demand by using stored dwas for significantly lower prices -- gas for significantly lower prices. >>> a snowstorm shut down the federal government this morning. coming up at 12:15, ktvu ken wayne is in washington, d.c. where the weather has affected a congressional hearing into the deadly asiana plane crash at sfo. >>> president obama is already heading back to the u.s. after the memorial for nelson mandela. security was can exactly tight at a johannesburg stadium as thousands of south africans, world leaders and celebrities gathered to bid farewell to the former prisoner and president. david mckenzie has some of the most memorable moments adz speeches from the today. >> madiba's pass something a time of mourning and to time -- passing is a time of mourning and a time to celebrate life. >> reporter: president obama is one of a dozen leaders remembering nelson mandela who passed away last week at 95. thousands packed into the stadium to bid farewell to nelson mandela. >> when it rains, when you are buried it means that you are welcoming you in the gates of heaven. [ cheers ] >> reporter: while there was sadness over the loss of the leader, the atmosphere was more like a celebration. those who new mandela best spoke about his legacy. >> [inaudible] >> he gave us hope when there was none. >> reporter: that hope inspired millions. the memorial brought people together if only for the day, including president obama who shook hands with raul castro, cuban's president. during the president's address, he cited mandella as an inspiration. >> while i will always fall short of madiba's example, he makes me want to be a better man. >> reporter: certainly it was a day of celebration in south africa and all of those world leaders that came here were welcomed with opened arms in this wild and wet day. president obama was joined by george with the w. bush, carter and clinton. there will be several days more of commemorations for this great man but today, perhaps, was the highlight. johannesburg, south africa. >>> ktvu's ken wayne is in washington, d.c. right now to cover the national hearing into the deadly airline crash at sfo. why the hearing was postponed and when it is when we come backed to begin -- and when it is expected to begin. >>> why what happened today is angering supporters of andy lopez who was shot and killed by a sheriff's deputy. 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>> reporter: yes, we do, tori. it will happen tomorrow. you were talking about the bad weather. here i am squinting in the sun to look at you. the hearing will take place underneath this construction area. that's where the ntsb is. we'll show you some video of the hearing room where the hearing will take place starting tomorrow morning at 8:30 a.m. eastern time. that's 5:30 a.m. pacific time. we got the news around 6:00 this morning here in washington, d.c. that the hearing was postponed because of bad weather. there were forecasts up to 6 inches of snow falling in the washington, d.c. and surrounding area throughout this morning. that did not turn out to be. however, the federal government didn't take any chances and shut down operations for the day. schools, hundreds of schools all over this area shut down and flights were canceled or delayed at dullus international airport. as we come back live, you can see we have blue skies. there is a breeze in the air. you are looking at the american flag on top of the smithsonian on the washington mall here in the nation's capital and that snowstorm, that blizzard we're expecting earlier this morning has come and gone. and there's no no snow on the ground now -- no snow on the ground now. it's in the 30s. it's still cold. a big change from what we saw earlier. it seems like the flts since everybody was -- ntsb since everybody was here for the hearing, they wanted to try to get them in and get as much as they could because they already had booked flights. this won't change their schedules but it will be a very long day tomorrow. about 11 1/2 hours of testimony near at the ntsb hearing room downstairs. they will be discussing what happened, what went wrong and try to figure out solutions to the crash of asiana flight 214 at sfo last july. we'll be here all day tomorrow covering the hearing for ktvu. live in washington, d.c., ken wayne, ktvu channel 2 news. >> as ken mentioned, he will be providing live coverage of the hearing on the crash tomorrow. you can follow him on twitter for real-time updates throughout the hearings. >>> people angry that a deputy who killed a 13-year-old returned to work today will be marching in santa rosa this afternoon. deputy erick gelhaus has been on paid leave since he shot and killed andy lopez. investigators say he mistook a replica lopez was holding for the real thing. he will be working a desk job at the sheriff's office in santa rosa. but the office will be closed during the demonstration. >> everyone is just outraged because he -- he gets to go on like it's nothing. that's not -- family doesn't get to do that. family and friends, we're -- we're still fighting for this. why is he allowed back to live his normal life? >> later today, county supervisors are expected to begin making appointments to a new community and law enforcement task force and discuss the creation of a memorial park where the shooting took place. the protest march begins at city hall at 4:00 p.m. >>> a cleanup is now underway in san francisco following a stubborn fire at a recycling warehouse. neighbors noticed smoke around 8:30 last night at the recology recycling facility. it took more than nine hours to put the fire out. they had to sift through and 8- foot tall, 100-yard pile of recycling debris by hand. they couldn't bring in heavy equipment to do the job because there was too much smoke. the fire department says no toxic chemicals burned but firefighters had have to change their air tanks several times. >> everything was extremely smoky in there and banking down. we had to rotate crews throughout the evening. >> one firefighter injured a foot and was treated at the scene. the cause of the fire is under investigation. >>> wall-to-wall sunshine around the bay area and for most of us, at least slightly warmer. another chilly day but not as cold as we were yesterday. a live look there. a few high clouds overhead. today, another spare-the-air day. if you haven't heard it just yet, air quality, a bit compromised. we do have a stable air mass in place at this point. moderate for most of us. a little unhealthy over parts of the north bay. if you suffer from respiratory issues, asthma, very sensitive to pollutants that to be aware of but it means no burning in the fireplace unless you are exempt. that means it is your primary or only source of heat. in addition to that, we have a freeze warning. i will say it once again over parts of the north bay for the valleys and mountains. away from the coastline. it starts tonight lasts until tomorrow morning. shifting to the east a little bit. this for the valley locations, not for the hills, not for the bay sides. valley, east bay locations into the santa clara valley. we have it widespread, san jose, down into morgan hill as well as gilroy. campbell, cupertino, sunnyvale included in this as well. let's take a look at the temperatures. a degrees in santa rosa -- 45 degrees in santa rosa. 49 in san francisco. oakland 53. this is one of the warmer locations. oakland expected to top out in the low 50s for the second half of the day. we'll be right about 52 degrees at 3:00 and then settling into the evening hours, partly cloudy skies and then cooling back into the 40s by the early evening hours. for the afternoon today, again, temperatures anywhere from 2 to 4 degrees warmer than yesterday. it may be hard to tell for some but with each passing day, it will get better. low 50s around the region. for the north bay. along the peninsula. 53 for san francisco. low 50s for livermore. 54 in san jose. mid-50s for santa cruz. your extended forecast here, bay area weekend always in view. temperatures continuing to climb. we'll finally get back in the upper 50s, low 60s. it looks like the weekend could be the warmest of the next several days. low to mid 60s expected by sunday and the overnight lows will continue to follow and get above the freezing mark for the valley location. >> no rain in the forecast? >> no rain. >> okay. thank you. >> you are welcome. >>> a popular activity, banned at this year's super bowl. why there will be no tailgating at the super bowl in new jersey. >>> u.s. stocks lower after another day of record highs. but banking stocks are most lie higher. investors got clarity on new banking regulations. regulators just adopted the rule that's a major step towards preventing the extreme risk taking on wall street that helped twigger the 2008 financial crisis. the dow is down 24. the down 1. s&p down 2. >>> today general motors named mary barra as its first female chief executive. she started with gm in 1980. she's been in charge of global product development. she replaces dan acerson who guided gm through most of the period since it emerged from bankruptcy in 2009. he will step down january 15th. >>> for football fans planning on heading to new jersey's metlife stadium for this year's super bowl, there will be no tailgating. the decision to ban tailgating was announced by the joint new york/new jersey host committee. the reason, there's very limited parking due to security concerns. so all spaces need to be used by cars, not tailgaters. fans attending the game will still be allowed to eat and have a beer or two but they must be in or near their cars. no grills or lounge chairs will be allowed. >>> today on ktvu channel 2 news at 5:00, continuing coverage on that breaking news we've been following since this morning. an underground vault explosion in the east bay. this comes one day after pg&e told ktvu it's pipeline can handle the record amount of natural gas flowing through. tom vak car is at the scene looking into what wet wrong -- vary car is at the scene looking -- vacar is at the scene looking into what went wrong. >>> thank you for trusting ktvu. we're always here for you on twitter and facebook. 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>>> i'm chris wallace. today, a unique perspective on nelson mandela. from a white apartheid leader who helped transform south africa and served in mandela's government. >> he was adored by all of the people of this country. >> pik botha reflects on mandela's life and legacy. telling personal stories you've never heard before. and we'll go live to south africa for the latest on the death of a towering statesman. >>> then, the white house launches a new obama care offensive. >> you got good ideas? bring them to me. let's go. but, we're not repealing it as long as i'm president. >> now, i don't know why any american would trust this government after all the broken promises they've already seen in obama care. >> we'll discuss the latest on obama care and a new gop plan to boost our inner cities with kentucky senator rand paul. it's a "fox news sunday" exclusive. plus, with the website working better and enrollment on the rise, we'll ask one of the law's architects, dr. ezequiel emanuel where obama care goes from here. >>> it's been ten years since i took over the anchor chair here. it's been quite a ride. we'll look back at some of our favorite moments from the last ten years. all right now on "fox news sunday." >>> and hello again from fox news in washington. this is a national day of prayer and reflection in south africa. as that nation continues to mourn the man many consider its father. south africans gathered at makeshift shrines to remember nelson mandela who died thursday at the age of 95. fox news senior foreign affairs correspondent is live outside mandela's home in johannesburg with the latest. >> reporter: chris, this was supposed to be that national day of prayer and reflection. and, in fact, across the country it's filled with people marking the day. here in what was the old home neighborhood of nelson mandela, just a few days after his passing, the mood here is anything but solemn. in fact, it is festive. take a look at what we saw, what we heard. they sang. they danced. they chanted. blacks, whites and all races. young, very young and old. it seemed important for all to be as close as possible to the last spot where the man they consider the father of their country breathed his last breath. candles were lit. gifts were presented. the south african people suddenly realizing the person who helped rid the country of ar p apartheid is no more. a huge mountain of flowers are being laid by his fans, by his friends, by the people of his country as they come here to pray, to mourn, to celebrate, to express their feelings. >> as you can see, the nation is mourning. we lost a big hero. >> he meant a lot to me. >> reporter: he did a lot. >> a horrible loss. for everybody. >> i was still a baby. now i'm here with my baby. >> reporter: now comes a long week of memorials to the late nelson mandela. it is billed as the biggest funeral of the century. on tuesday there'll be a massive event at a soccer stadium here. in attendance, president obama and former president george w. bush. also coming, former presidents clinton and carter. mandela's body will lie in state for three days. then he will be buried next sunday in his home village. buried, but certainly not forgotten. chris? >> reporting live from south africa. thanks for that. >>> later in the program, our exclusive beinterview with pik zbln bo botha. >>> now we turn to washington, where the obama administration has put together a strike team of democratic lawmakers to sell the embattled health care law to a skeptical public. we'll speak with an architect of obama care in the next segment. but joining me now is kentucky senator rand paul. senator, welcome back to "fox news sunday." >> good morning. >> before we get to obama care, i want to talk to you about your trip to detroit this week where you helped open the first of what are going to be several republican outreach centers in inner cities. you also unveiled your plan for economic freedom zones in depressed areas. let's take a look at that plan. you would set a flat individual and corporate tax rate in those depressed areas of 5%. give parents more school choice and education tax credits. and loosen visa rules to encourage foreign sbe pentrepre to open businesses. senator, while critics say those are all good ideas, you've got to pour more government money into those inner cities if you're going to make a difference. >> well, chris, it hasn't worked. i mean, the president poured a trillion dollars into the nation's economy. when you divided it out it was about $400,000 per job. the problem with a government stimulus is you pick the winners and losers. with this stimulus that i'm talking about, a free market stimulus, you simply leave the money in the hands of those who earned it. so the customers have actually picked out the successful people, the ones they choose to buy products from. those people get more money. like i met a young man, young african-american man who has his own restaurant. his first question is, do you have any tax breaks for me for my business? that's what this would do. it would help people who are already in business and trying. >> i don't have to tell you, senator, that republicans have a steep hill to climb in inner city neighborhoods. in the city of detroit in november, 97% of detroit voters supported president obama. 2% voted for romney. the black unemployment rate nationally is still 12.5%. and right now president obama is calling out the gop for what he says is your party's refusal to extend long-term unemployment benefits. take a look at what he said this week. >> for decades, congress has voted to offer relief to job seekers. including when the unemployment rate was lower than it is today. but now that economic lifeline is in jeopardy. all because republicans in this congress, which is on track to be the most unproductive in history, have so far refused to extend it. >> senator, let me ask you a direct question. do you personally, do you support extending unemployment benefits, or would you let 1.3 million americans lose those benefits before the end of the year? >> i do support unemployment benefits for the 26 weeks that they're paid for. if you extend it beyond that you do a disservice to these workers. there was a study that came out a few months ago, and it said if you have a worker that's been unemployed for four weeks and on unemployment insurance and one that's on 99 weeks, which would you hire? every employer, nearly 100%, said they will always hire the person who's been out of work four weeks. when you allow people to be on unemployment insurance for 99 weeks, you're causing them to become part of this perpetual unemployed group in our economy. and it really -- while it seems good, it actually does a disservice to the people you're trying to help. i don't doubt the president's motives. but black unemployment in america is double white unemployment. and it hasn't budged under this president. >> senator -- >> a lot of african-americans voted for him, but i don't think it's worked. i don't think his policies have worked. >> senator, how do you persuade the african-american voter in the inner city you're not going to spend more government money, you're going to vote to let the -- the unemployment benefits lapse, how do you persuade that black voter, this is good for them? this is the right policy? >> my economic stimulus plan for detroit would leave over a billion dollars in detroit's economy and would stimulate detroit. there is no other plan on the table. and there's not going to be some grand bail out that's going to go through congress. other than my plan, if my plan would pass, i think it's the only one that politically could pass, over a billion dollars would be left in detroit. i'm also talking about restoring voting rights. i'm talking about school choice. i think there's a lot to offer in the republican message that hasn't been offered in the past. and i think there's only upside potential for voters in detroit or all the big cities for republicans. >> senator, you face the same challenge when it comes to obama care. you and most of your colleagues in the senate and the house, republican colleagues, want to repeal the law. but the other side says that if you were to do that, that you would take away preventative care for 105 million americans. free preventative care. let's put it up on the screen. obama care provides health services to 105 million americans including free immunization for children, free cancer screenings, free mammograms. question. what is your plan that would allow these folks, the 105 million americans, to keep those benefits? >> first of all, there is nothing for free. you're going to pay for it. we're paying for it through higher premiums. we're also going to find out in january that more people will lose their insurance under obama care, i think, than will actually gain it. the republican plan is freedom of choice. more choices, not less. obama care narrows your choices. we're for competition. we're for selling insurance across state lines. and above all, we're for driving premiums down. the problem under the old system was premiums were too high. under obama care the premiums are even higher. i don't see any way obama care can work. >> let me turn to another subject. drones. last march you famously took to the senate floor for 13 hours to filibuster a nomination because of your opposition to the military use of drones to attack u.s. citizens. this week, as i'm sure you know, jeff bezos, the head -- we're looking at a picture of the drone right there -- of amazon announced that they have plans, a hope, maybe five years down the road, that drones would come pick up a package, a book, a sweater, and deliver it to your front door where you could -- you could take it instead of a delivery truck. when you see that, and i'm sure you have seen those videos, does that excite you or do you think to yourself, that's a problem and i've got to find a way to block it? >> well, you know, i'm not against technology. i'm not one of these people who says, oh, unmanned airplanes is really a bad thing. there will be air traffic control issues. my problem is more with surveillance for privacy reasons. not with delivering of packages. so i'm worried about the government looking into our backyard. i'm also worried about private companies looking and counting and looking in our windows. i have said previously, this has nothing to do with amazon, but that a rules on peeping toms will have to be applied to higher technology. there has to be a certain extension of your privacy. not only your house, but your yard and the things that you do that really people shouldn't be able to observe all of the time. and so there will have to be rules on private entities, but really most particularly i'm concerned about the government looking at our activities. >> we also learned this week, another revelation from edward snowden, that the nsa collects records on cell phones. 4 billion cell phone records outside the country every day. and that they can also track where those cell phones are so they can track where people are. big picture. how severely would you like to restrict the surveillance by the national security agency? >> i would like to apply the fourth amendment to third-party records. i don't think you give up your privacy when someone else holds your records. when i have a contract with a phone company, i think those are still my records. and you can look at them if you're from the government if you ask a judge. but the most important thing is, a warrant applies to one person. a warrant doesn't apply to everyone in america. so it's absolutely against the spirit and the letter of the fourth amendment to say that a judge can write one warrant and you can get every phone call in america. that's what's happening. i think it's wrong. it goes against everything america stands for. and i will help to fight that all the way to the supreme court. and we need the supreme court to re-examine privacy, the fourth amendment and our records. >> so you would ban, if you could, mass data mining. this huge vacuum hoovering up of information? >> i'm for going after terrorists with every tool we have. i'm not opposed to the nsa. i'm not opposed to spying. but i am in favor of the fourth amendment. if we think someone's a terrorist, you call a judge. you get a warrant. if that person's called 100 people, you get 100 more warrants. if they've called 10,000 people, you got to get 10,000 individual warrants. and it's a pain. but it's a pain because we're trying to protect people's freedom. we're trying to proetect the bil of rights. that's what we're fighting against terrorism to protect. we can't give up the bill of rights in order to try to fight terrorism. you have to keep your privacy. you have to keep the bill of rights sf rights. >> finally, senator, you knew i was going to ask about this. 2016. you said this week your wife, kelly, is strongly opposed to your running for president. i know how important that is if your wife doesn't like an idea. you said you're going to try to, quote, persuade her during the next year. i got to say, talking to you on camera and off, i get the distinct impression you would like to run for president. >> well, you know, the thought has crossed my mind, chris. i am seriously thinking about it. but i'm also very serious about the family considerations. you know, just -- just look at what happens daily to any politician in america. you talk about how uncivil things are. i mean, they really are. they do take a toll on family. it is a big consideration. i really am not sure what will happen. we'll go another year. sometimes you have a good week. the next week they pound you to death. you know, the haters and the hacks go after you. it's like, you know, it is really an ordeal to be in public life sometimes. there are great things to be part of the debate over the fourth amendment in the institution. i love that stuff. i also hate it, when you, when family is attacked and when they get into the news and so do they. >> to follow up on that, sir, would it be fair to say that family considerations at this point, at least, are the only thing that would keep you from running? >> they're a major component of the discussion, but a lot of things enter into it, you know. we'll see what happens over the next year. but i really am going to keep doing the things i am doing. trying to help fight for jobs in kentucky as well as across america. and i'll just keep doing the things that i want to do and i think the people of kentucky elected me to do. i just am not ready to make a decision yet. >> senator paul, thank you. thanks for joining us. always a pleasure to talk with you, sir. >> thanks. >>> up next, the website is working better. but are obama care's problems solved? dr. ezequiel emanuel, one of the law's architects, returns to "fox news sunday." >>> plus, today marks ten years since i've joined the fox family. >> good morning and welcome to "fox news sunday" volume 2. >> oh, my gosh. well, we'll have some of the highlights from the past decade later in the program. we'd like you to logon to facebook and share some of your favorite moments on your page. and we'll be right back. ♪ [ male announcer ] how could switchgrass in argentina, change engineering in dubai, aluminum production in south africa, and the aerospace industry in the u.s.? 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don't wait to ask your doctor about spiriva. >>> the white house says the heal healthcare.gov website is dramatically improved. does that mean obama care is now out of the woods? joining us again, dr. ezekiel emanuel, architect of the affordable care act and vice provost at the university of pennsylvania. welcome back to "fox news sunday." >> good. >> since the relaunch a week ago of the website, enrollment numbers are up sharply. that's the good news. but the administration says that the website is still sending erroneous messages or incomplete information to insurers about one in ten people who think they have signed up. isn't a 10% error rate still a serious problem? >> well, as i understand it, they're working very hard on those so-called 834 forms. and, second of all, they're working with the insurers to clean up that information. and they did push that a little further down, which they have time to do because they don't need to get the information to them for another few weeks. and they're both working really hard to solve that problem. in addition, they identified one bug that seemed to be causing a large portion -- >> it's still a problem, would you agree, a 10% error rate? >> look, they're solving problems. in october you said they couldn't solve the problem of signing up. they have gone a long way -- >> i never said that. you're making that up, dr. emanuel. >> now they decidedly put this second and they're addressing it. >> okay. let me that i can the point. i never said they couldn't fix it. i'm just simply pointing out it isn't fixed and there's still a 10% error rate. let's get into that. you talked about the fact that the government sends nightly 834 forms, enrollment forms, to the insurers, which tell them how many people have signed up, who they are, all the information. but it turns out that somebody -- that some people are just left off entirely. that's called an orphan report. isn't it the fact, isn't it certainly a real possibility, that thousands, perhaps tens of thousands of people who think they've signed up, these so-called orphans, may end up on january 1st not having coverage? >> it's an interesting issue. when we did the medicare part "d" under president bush that was the drug benefit for seniors, there were a lot of seniors who were left out and actually did get their drug refills, and there were millions of people at that -- that had problems during that switchover. these are large switchovers. the government has said, i believe medicare has said, it's very important to call the insurance company you have to verify that you have. in addition, in this case, they're sending out information with cards so people know whether they're covered or not. i think they're working diligently, but the insurers and the government to make sure people don't find themselves on january 1st or january 2nd without coverage. that's an important thing. everyone is trying to work together to solve the problem. we're trying to make this thing work. if there's going to be no glitches, i don't think anyone has that unrealistic expectation. i know when i got my iphone, there were lots of glitches. they sent updates for that. this happens with large scale enrollment of millions of people. i think there's a diligent effort now on everyone's part to reduce the chance of people being left off. >> all right. one of the keys to obama care, everybody says, is you've got to get young, healthy people to sign up. let's put this up on the screen. a new poll by the harvard institute of politics finds only 20% of 18 to 29-year-olds say they will definitely or probably enroll. 47% say they will definitely or probably not sign up. now, you have acknowledged the fact that if you don't get young people to sign up, there's the danger of what's called a death spiral. not enough people -- young people sign up, there are too many older, sicker people. premiums go up. more young, healthy people get off. and you end up eventually with a pool of just older, sicker people with sky high premiums. that is a real possibility, is it not? >> i don't think it's a real possibility. let me identify several points why i think that poll is not a very useful piece of information. >> it's from the harvard institute of politics. >> in california when they looked actually at the number of enrollees and broke them down by age, the number of enrollees of young adults, i think it was 18 to 34, matched the population in california that you would expect. that's exactly what you want to be seeing. that's not a poll. that's actual signing up. second of all, if you actually look at -- >> can i just -- i don't mean to interrupt. i want to put up some numbers. i want to speak directly to that point before you move on. then i'll let you move on. put up this number. obama care needs 7 million people to sign up. that's what the president said over and over. >> no, no, no. that's what the congressional budget office projected would sign up. >> okay. >> that's not what anyone said you need. there's a difference between need and projected. >> i've heard the white house spokesman talk repeatedly about 7 million. if i may, sir, please. you don't want me to interrupt you. >> all right. >> you need 2.7 million of those people to be between the ages of 18 and 34. that is a percentage. 2.7 million. of the 7 million of 39%. in california. of the pool. 39%. in california, the pool so far is only 23%. it's barely half of the 39% you need to have the right mix of young people. your california example is completely wrong, sir. >> it's not completely wrong. it matches the population -- >> i don't care whether it matches the population. it doesn't matter. what obama care has said that you need in the pool to keep a sustainable -- fiscally sustainable number. >> i think there is going to be a fiscally sustainable number. and the other thing that i think you need to keep in mind is that the 18 to 34, a large number of those people are going to be on their parents' plan and not going to be buying insurance all on their own, up to age 26. you're concentrated in a group of 26 to 34-year-olds. and that, i think, is where you need to get them to purchase with their own money. and that, i do, think is a group that you're going to be able to get. let me just say one other thing. here are three reasons i think people in that age group are going to sign up. first, you do have a penalty. now, everyone talks about $95. but the fact is it's 1% of income which for most people is going to be more than $95. second of all, you do have subsidies for almost -- for many of these people that is going to make the price look very low and be very low. for example, if you're a 30-year-old in california, you can get a silver plan. you make about 150% of the poverty line. you get a silver plan for $50 a month. third, given the preventative services and other things, that premium actually is something you can easily cover by using -- by using the preventative services, where all society benefits because people are getting preventative care. i think actually there's many reasons for people to sign up that they will sign up. and -- >> i just want to -- >> let me finish. >> i have to move on. >> one more thing i'd like to point out. no one has launched a big pr campaign to get these people signed up because of the problems with the federal website. we are about to launch a big pr campaign. and that, i think, is going to persuade a lot of people to sign up. >> i would simply point out the harvard poll says only 20% say they're going to sign up. and in california -- so far in california it's only 20%. your 39% figure -- i understand the obama campaign slogan was hope. at this point that's all you seem to have. >> we haven't had a campaign. we have four more months to go till the end of march. >> president obama famously promised, if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor. doesn't that turn out to be just as false, just as misleading, as his promise about if you like your plan you can keep your plan? isn't it a fact, sir, that a number, most, in fact, of the obama care health plans that are being offered on the exchanges exclude a number of doctors and hospitals to lower costs? >> the president never said you were going to have unlimited choice of any doctor in the country you want to go to. >> no. he asked a question. if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. did he not say that, sir? >> he didn't say you could have unlimited choice. >> it's a simple yes or no question. didn't he say if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor? >> yes. but look, if you want to pay more for an insurance company that covers your doctor, you can do that. this is a matter of choice. we know in all sorts of places you pay more for certain -- for a wider range of choices or wider range of benefits. the issue isn't the selective networks. people keep saying, oh, the problem is you're going to have a selective network. >> if you lose your doctor or lose your hospital. >> let me just say something. people are going to have a choice as to whether they want to pay a certain amount for a selective network or pay more for a broader network. >> which means your premiums will probably go up. >> they get that choice. >> which means your premium may go up over what you were paying so that, in other words -- >> no one guaranteed you that your premium wouldn't increase. premiums have been going up. >> the president guaranteed me i could keep my doctor. >> and if you want to, you can pay for it. under president bush, premiums went up 80% after inflation. we have actually seen a levels off of health care costs and premiums in the last few years because of changes that have been made. >> finally -- >> as a matter of fact, choice is something we all understand and we all understand that for more choice, more benefits, you have to pay more. >> final question. last week, you had this to say about the website. let's put it up on the screen. for the first time, and most importantly, we actually have effective management overseeing. we have an integrator that's independent. it seem to be effective as opposed to having cms, centers for medicare and medicaid services, run it. which seems to be saying, if i can interpret what you're saying, finally we've got somebody who knows what he's doing in charge. question, should the president fire either hhs secretary kathleen sebelius or cms administrator marilyn tavenner. >> i think not having an independent integrator without that expertise and not having a ceo was a mistake. i think the president recognized it. they put jeff -- >> should someone be held accountable? >> the president is running his ship. he's going to decide how he's going to do it. most companies when they decide right the ship and then decide what has to happen. he'll make a decision. he'll make a decision if he's going to find someone else to run -- he's already committed to have someone -- a new ceo to run the website. and the federal exchanges. and i think that is an excellent decision to replace jeff zeints when he goes to the national economic council. it's quite clear you need someone who can manage that and really run it. >> dr. emanuel, thank you. thank you again for coming in sir. >> no problem. >> it's always interesting. >> good. >>> up next, our sunday panel joins the discussion on obama care. and the president's pivot back to economic issues. >>> plus, what would you like to ask the panel? just go to twitter @foxnewssunday and we may use your question on the air. capital to make it happen? without the thinking that makes it real? what's a vision without the expertise to execute it... and the financing to make it grow? 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>> what he's basically saying, you heard it there was, if you don't like my plans for my agenda, give us your plans for my agenda. my sense is that that will not meet with much -- with much success. at least certainly in the house of representatives. i think it is more than anything at this point, this pivot to the economy, in particular on the issue of income inequality, is an attempt to change the subject from obama care, which has so dominated the news for the past several months. and to rout his base. which is always what he does first. sometimes that's all he's needed to do. but my sense is that he's not going to be able to make this into the big national issue that the party with win on because his credibility is so weak. the issue in that harvard poll of young people you talked about, there was one of those open ended questions about what is your top priority. income inequality was way down the list. i think it is way down the list for a lot of people. now, a president with the bully pulpit can sometimes elevate an issue and make it a big national issue and so on. but i think he's weakened now. the bully pulpit is a depreciating say set for him. it'll hard to do that. >> julie, it did work back in 2011. you have the debt debacle in august 2011. started championing the middle class in september out in kansas. it really boosted his standing. when you talk to folks in the white house, i want to pick up on what brit said, do they say they're trying to change the subject? do they actually think realistically there's a chance that they can raise the minimum wage and extend unemployment benefits? or is this just political positioning? >> i think there's a little bit of all of that in the strategy here. certainly they are looking for things that they can talk about that are separate from health care. they really need to show that not only are they focused on other things, but, you know, that they have the space to talk about other things. the second part of it, when you talk to americans and look at po polling, the economy still is a top issue. he needs to be focussed on things that matter to americans. even though jobs reports have come out and other metrics that show improvement in the economy, a lot of people are not feeling that. in terms of whether he can get anything done, minimum wage, universal pre-k, i think that's going to be very difficult over the next year. it will come down to the talking about it helps democrats enough or do they actually need to be able to pass something? >> we've got to note, though, whatever he wants to pivot from, all the problems with obama care are still around. and this week the president had a very interesting analysis of why the rollout went so badly. take a look. >> the challenge, i think, that we had going forward is not so much my personal management style or particular issues around white house organization, it actually has to do with what i referred to earlier which is we had these big agencies. some of which are outdated, some of which are not designed properly. >> not to put too fine a point on it, george. but it's those outdated agencies the president talks about that he, under obama care, is going to have oversee, what, about a sixth of the economy. >> the education of this president is a protracted and often amusing process as it was this week. as he continues to alight upon the obvious with a sense of profound and original discovery. he's alighting on what is obvious to governors. this is really why we should have governors more often and senators as president. the president is saying the trouble with big government is it's so darn big. like a lot of big org nichls, dinosaurs spring to mind. it has a simple nervous system. it's governed by inertia. hard to move. this from a man who's devoted his life to increasing the power of government as an instrument to the redistribution of income because the government is wiser than markets. highly amusing. >> we have being asking all of you to send us questions to ask the panel. we have one we want to put on the screen from sal russo on twitter. who asks, other than hope, what substantive argument do the aca, affordable care act, supporters have that the law will work as intended? juan, how do you answer skip? >> i think you deserve a straight answer. there's such a snowstorm of partisan politics around the obama care thing right now. so i'd say the number one thing i would say is, just look at this week. a million people went to the website as it was working. so there's obviously an appetite, a real need. 30 million people uninsured. millions more inadequately insured who can avoid bankruptcy and illnesses as a result. number two, the reason i think this is going to work is it doesn't disrupt the market for most people. nobody on this panel is going to have their health care affected, impacted, by what's taking place. what we have here is 70% have employer provided insurance. and that stays in place right now. then i'd say, third, massachusetts. the republican model worked. and has high approval ratings in the state. fourth, i'd say the insurance companies are invested in this. the insurance companies actually want this to work. what we've seen, and my last point on this is, that the cost of health care increased has declined over the last few years as we've seen. pre-existing conditions now removed. we've seen that you can keep your kids on your insurance plan. and we've seen that the insurance companies can't say there's a cap to your spending. >> do you agree with juan's answer to skip, george? >> the answer to skip is public relations. we heard it this morning. the solution to all these problems, including the adverse selection you documented with the numbers is public relation. people just don't understand. that's the administration's view. the glories of this. the problem is they've been selling the glories of this since 2009. it continues not only to be unpopular, but be more unpopular today than it was then. their belief in the magic of words and public relations is running up against a lot of evidence. >> julie? >> well, i think that this has been a problem for them since the very beginning. how do you sell something that is very complex to people. insurance is complex whether you're talking about your private insurance run by your employer or -- >> i'm going to interrupt to say there was that other moment of apparent learning curve when the president said, boy, buying insurance is really complicated. >> turns out it's not as easy as going on kayak or getting a plane ticket. pr campaign is going to be very interesting. it's targeted towards the young invincible. young, healthy people. these are the people that during presidential campaigns, they have proven to be very good at getting them out to vote. that's a much different exercise, though, than getting people to sign up for health insurance. >> brit, is it possible, let me take brother williams' position here, that all of the critics are all wrong and the fact is the website is going to start to work and it's all going to work and we'll look back at this in six months and say, what were we scared of? >> well, i think eventually it will work for some people. they'll find subsidized policy that is to their liking. because it will cost a reasonable amount from their point of view for what they're getting. they're going to be winners under obama care in the fullness of time. the problem for the president is that the kind of negative emotions that are stirred as we saw so vividly with the policy cancellations for individual policies began to roll in. we've got another wave of that. juan says none of us on this panel will lose our policies. perhaps not. but millions of people who get employee sponsored health care are going to lose it. this means you're going to have another wave of very bad news that are going to further affect people's feelings about this program. and i think the losers are going to be a more powerful force politically than the winners. >> all right. thank you, panel. to be continued. when we come back, we'll hear from pik botha. a top official in south africa's apartheid regime who served in nelson mandela's government. he'll tell some stories you've never heard before. >>> my view is that programs change, but our values don't change. >> you never feel very far away from the job. it follows you wherever you go. >> we'll be right back. 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